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Post by Spencer on Dec 1, 2006 0:15:13 GMT -5
499 Andris Biedrins C 20 6'11'' 245 C+ D+ D B B- A Biedrins has already showed that he is one of the best rebounders/defenders in this league. He's averaging 11 rpg and 3 bpg. He should be better than "B B-" in those two categories. 492 Adonal Foyle C 31 6'10'' 270 C D D- B B- C Fine. Anyone can have him for free. 84 Patrick O'Bryant C 20 7'0'' 260 C+ D+ D C+ C+ A Fine. 490 Troy Murphy PF 26 6'11'' 245 B- B C- C+ B+ C I would ask for B- defense but I would get flamed for it. 82 Ike Diogu PF 22 6'8'' 255 B C D C+ B- B I would ask for a B in rebounding because he's averaging 12 rpg per 40 but I would be yelled at. 282 Zarko Cabarkapa PF 24 6'11'' 235 C+ C+ D+ C+ C B Fine. 488 Mickael Pietrus SF 24 6'6'' 215 B- C+ C- B+ C B He's already one of the best perimeter defenders in the game. I guess B+ is fair. I think he's averaging something like 6 rpg so he should have a C+ rebounding instead of C. 495 Mike Dunleavy SF 27 6'9'' 230 C+ B+ C+ C+ C B Fine. 455 Matt Barnes SF 26 6'7'' 235 C+ C+ C- B C+ C Fine. 487 Jason Richardson SG 25 6'6'' 225 A- B C B C C Fine. 83 Monta Ellis SG 20 6'3'' 177 B C+ C+ B- C- A I am going to be totally honest. I have seen 2 Warriors games this season. Spencer, you have probably seen a lot more. But just based on what Monta is doing so far this season, doesn't he deserve better ratings than this? I guess with "B C+" he could maybe possibly get 18 ppg but I would up the outside shot to B- or inside to B+...not both though . Handles should be better than a C+. Already putting up 4.4 apg on a team with BD as PG. Based on the numbers, from what I've read, and the two games I have seen, Monta should have better defense as well. 338 Baron Davis PG 27 6'3'' 223 B C+ A- A- C- C Should be better than B C+ scoring. He's putting up 21 ppg this season and B C+ is not good enough. He has been an explosive scorer this year. You've seen more Warriors games than I have though. 78 Anthony Roberson PG 23 6'2'' 180 C A- C C D B Fine. 633 Keith McLeod PG 27 6'2'' 190 C C+ C+ B D+ C Fine. All that being said, if anyone has any complaints or objections to anything I said, please feel free to let me know. Being specific would help. Thanks Will and Spencer for making these rosters happen. I agree with you in your arguments, but I am a little biased. Ellis/Andris grades are somehat based on there potential. Baron I changed to B C+ instead of B- B-. Murphy cant defend. Ike isnt a great rebounder. Pietrus is a good defender, but I doubt most guys in the league would be okay with him being an A-.
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Post by repole on Dec 1, 2006 0:15:42 GMT -5
Jack and Outlaw deffinately deserve some love there....Keep in mind Outlaw is a Josh Smith esk defensive player. If he plays 35 minutes he's capable of just under a couple blocks and steals. Offensivly he's better than that too, B C scorer I'd say, with a C- handle...so all around B C C- A- C A for Outlaw would seem right to me. I don't know with Jack, but what I do know is that he's been very, very good. A few Celtic observations. Wally-He's still a 18-20 ppg scorer, C+ A- isn't going to do that. B- A- would cut it, or C+ A. He's an under-rated scorer, especially because he's so efficient. Tony Allen deserves a D+ handle. He's that bad, he's known as the human offensive foul/human turnover here in Boston. Rondo deserves a D+ outside shot, not that far from C-, but still...he's gotta make a lot of progress to be an effective player. Maybe a bit better ball handler as well, a low B+. Very fast, high assist rate, but turnovers are somewhat of a concern so far. Gomes outside shot is a bit high. He's a solid C shooter...no 3 pt shot at all really, but a solid midrange shooter. Green I'd switch his scoring...B- B rathr than B B-. He's been all about the outside shot this year. Not a huge deal to me though...he's also improved his rebounding, he's a solid C at this point, or at worst a low C. Powe...C+ inside C+ defense, B- rebounding makes sense. Ray - B outside, C handles. He's not a PG, what so ever. He can shoot when he gets hot, but that's really it. Outlaw isnt an A- defender. He might have lots of potential and athleticsm, but I saw him once and he was in foul trouble almost instantly. B is fair, with nice potential. Fixed most of the other stuff. You saw him once? I'm sorry, but I think the 400 minutes he's played this year means more than the 25 minutes at most you saw him play. He's only averaging 4.4 fouls per 40, thats not bad at all...and to go with that 1.4 steals and 1.9 blocks per 40. You're underrating him pretty drasticly as a player, he doesn't get much respect outside of Portland, but he's blossumed into a stud.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 1, 2006 0:16:50 GMT -5
If you've paid attention to his stats and the scouting reports this year, instead of going by the time you 'saw him', you'd realize that Outlaw is actually an A- defender, the dude is for real on the defensive end. Well defense raises quite quickly and his A scouted makes me think hell be an A- defender at some point even if he starts at B. How about B+?
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Post by nybombers3 on Dec 1, 2006 0:17:18 GMT -5
Jack and Outlaw deffinately deserve some love there....Keep in mind Outlaw is a Josh Smith esk defensive player. If he plays 35 minutes he's capable of just under a couple blocks and steals. Offensivly he's better than that too, B C scorer I'd say, with a C- handle...so all around B C C- A- C A for Outlaw would seem right to me. I don't know with Jack, but what I do know is that he's been very, very good. A few Celtic observations. Wally-He's still a 18-20 ppg scorer, C+ A- isn't going to do that. B- A- would cut it, or C+ A. He's an under-rated scorer, especially because he's so efficient. Tony Allen deserves a D+ handle. He's that bad, he's known as the human offensive foul/human turnover here in Boston. Rondo deserves a D+ outside shot, not that far from C-, but still...he's gotta make a lot of progress to be an effective player. Maybe a bit better ball handler as well, a low B+. Very fast, high assist rate, but turnovers are somewhat of a concern so far. Gomes outside shot is a bit high. He's a solid C shooter...no 3 pt shot at all really, but a solid midrange shooter. Green I'd switch his scoring...B- B rathr than B B-. He's been all about the outside shot this year. Not a huge deal to me though...he's also improved his rebounding, he's a solid C at this point, or at worst a low C. Powe...C+ inside C+ defense, B- rebounding makes sense. Ray - B outside, C handles. He's not a PG, what so ever. He can shoot when he gets hot, but that's really it. Outlaw isnt an A- defender. He might have lots of potential and athleticsm, but I saw him once and he was in foul trouble almost instantly. B is fair, with nice potential. Fixed most of the other stuff. It was one game though I mean, if I showed you this game, you'd think he looks good. www.nba.com/games/20061110/NOKPOR/boxscore.html
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Post by Spencer on Dec 1, 2006 0:17:35 GMT -5
Outlaw isnt an A- defender. He might have lots of potential and athleticsm, but I saw him once and he was in foul trouble almost instantly. B is fair, with nice potential. Fixed most of the other stuff. You saw him once? I'm sorry, but I think the 400 minutes he's played this year means more than the 25 minutes at most you saw him play. He's only averaging 4.4 fouls per 40, thats not bad at all...and to go with that 1.4 steals and 1.9 blocks per 40. You're underrating him pretty drasticly as a player, he doesn't get much respect outside of Portland, but he's blossumed into a stud. Travis Outlaw is a stud?
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Post by innaskillz on Dec 1, 2006 0:18:26 GMT -5
If Dalembert's a B+, then Outlaw shouldn't be any higher I guess... btw, Biedrins isn't potential, he went toe to toe stats wise with Duncan in the Warriors victory and he's been putting up the defensive/boards numbers this year to warrant higher ratings.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 1, 2006 0:18:57 GMT -5
IDK, to me a stud defender plays more then he plays. Obviously Im in the minority, I changed him to B+. If Maniac wants to make him higher, he can.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 1, 2006 0:19:45 GMT -5
If Dalembert's a B+, then Outlaw shouldn't be any higher I guess... btw, Biedrins isn't potential, he went toe to toe stats wise with Duncan in the Warriors victory and he's been putting up the defensive/boards numbers this year to warrant higher ratings. Ya, Ellis and Biedrins could be better, with B potential. I guess Id want some kind of majority among the GMs to make that change though.
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Post by innaskillz on Dec 1, 2006 0:20:56 GMT -5
If Dalembert's a B+, then Outlaw shouldn't be any higher I guess... btw, Biedrins isn't potential, he went toe to toe stats wise with Duncan in the Warriors victory and he's been putting up the defensive/boards numbers this year to warrant higher ratings. Ya, Ellis and Biedrins could be better, with B potential. I guess Id want some kind of majority among the GMs to make that change though. Why? Their stats show them being better, you haven't needed a 'majority' for other changes.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 1, 2006 0:20:59 GMT -5
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Post by repole on Dec 1, 2006 0:21:33 GMT -5
But Outlaw get's steals too....
Yah i'd say Outlaw is a stud. 16-6-2-2-2 with a low turnover rate per 40 is a pretty good player to me. And it's not like he's playing no minutes (25 a game), so his per 40 rates should hold a good ammount of signifigance. Just because the Blazers are stupid and don't play him that much doesn't mean he should get jipped here.
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Post by Spencer on Dec 1, 2006 0:22:04 GMT -5
Ya, Ellis and Biedrins could be better, with B potential. I guess Id want some kind of majority among the GMs to make that change though. Why? Their stats show them being better, you haven't needed a 'majority' for other changes. Then, how about this.... Biedrins.... B D+ D+ B+ B+ B Ellis..... B B- B- B- C B
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Post by Spencer on Dec 1, 2006 0:22:35 GMT -5
But Outlaw get's steals too.... Yah i'd say Outlaw is a stud. 16-6-2-2-2 with a low turnover rate per 40 is a pretty good player to me. And it's not like he's playing no minutes (25 a game), so his per 40 rates should hold a good ammount of signifigance. Just because the Blazers are stupid and don't play him that much doesn't mean he should get jipped here. B+ with potential isnt fair?
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Post by nybombers3 on Dec 1, 2006 0:23:25 GMT -5
He went up against great talent in Golden State?
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Post by Spencer on Dec 1, 2006 0:23:44 GMT -5
Ya know what, fuck all you guys. No, but seriously, I dont care.
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